Alan Thrall is Wrong About Almost Everything (2024)

Once again

Is there something you don’t Understand? I’ll be happy to respond and engage productive discussion then I’ll be out of this place for another half year or longer and enjoy my life More fully.

pokerandbeer said:

then I’ll be out of this place for another half year or longer and enjoy my life More fully.

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Your trolling is truly beautiful. You’re what I aspired to be in the past.

Starting strength is only for people who want to be fat

You must train like a bodybuilder to lift the weights the almighty Jim lifts rah rah he’s too good for starting strength

He once aspired to be what I currently am and now he looks down on all of those who don’t have a bodybuilding physique because how dare those Rippetoe nuthuggers claim to know anything about strength?

pokerandbeer said:

Starting strength is only for people who want to be fat

You must train like a bodybuilder to lift the weights the almighty Jim lifts rah rah he’s too good for starting strength

He once aspired to be what I currently am and now he looks down on all of those who don’t have a bodybuilding physique because how dare those Rippetoe nuthuggers claim to know anything about strength?

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Keep going, I’m close.

No

I’m done

90% of the people in this forum are a waste of time, are wasting people’s time and are going to continue to do so until sherdog shuts down

NOne of you here are actually helpful or productive in any way however that’s my fault for trusting a free public forum was of any help anyways

Goodbye

pokerandbeer said:

No

I’m done

90% of the people in this forum are a waste of time, are wasting people’s time and are going to continue to do so until sherdog shuts down

NOne of you here aren’t actually helpful or productive in any way however that’s my fault for trusting a free public forum was of any help anyways

Goodbye

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https://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/

Yes starting strength a forum run and monitored by an established coach and his coaches

You people here are bottom of the rung when it comes to this stuff

pokerandbeer said:

I’ll be out of this place for another half year or longer

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pokerandbeer said:

Yes starting strength a forum run and monitored by an established coach and his coaches

You people here are bottom of the rung when it comes to this stuff

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I'm still holding out for my big break. I just need to find some kid willing to bulk up to 240+ lbs to squat 345 lbs x 5. Once that happens, the respect will come.

Do you not understand that muscle building progresses at different rates and that might be what it actually takes to achieve just a 345 squat for some people?

Host of other factors at play there some people are just wired to be strong start off stronger and get stronger over the long haul.

You people have a lot left to learn before y’all start criticizing other proven methods just to stand out.

My big issue with Starting Strength is that it doesn’t include curls, so you just end up with stick arms like that guy.

The war on aesthetics needs to end.

pokerandbeer said:

Not suprised that is your big takeaway from the program.

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what’s the takeaway supposed to be?

JimRussel said:

My big issue with Starting Strength is that it doesn’t include curls, so you just end up with stick arms like that guy.

The war on aesthetics needs to end.

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Even Rippetoe had to concede and realize the importance of the almighty curl.
https://startingstrength.com/training/the-barbell-curl

pokerandbeer said:

That it is a general strength program

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You’re right. Who wants to train hard AND also look like it?

Looking like a barrel with stick arms is the coolest.

JimRussel said:

My big issue with Starting Strength is that it doesn’t include curls, so you just end up with stick arms like that guy.

The war on aesthetics needs to end.

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Aren't you allowed to add some isolation work at the end of it?

Either way, it's only meant to be used for a few months. Over the long haul (the years of lifting it takes to get big), it's probably better to get the big lifts up as quickly as possible. If a newb using Starting Strength gets his lifts to a 225lbs Bench, 155 Overhead Press, 315lbs Squat, and 405lbs Deadlift after 6 - 9 months, he'll be far ahead of someone who dicks around and never even gets to a 315lbs Squat.

That said, I don't see why someone can't just do Starting Strength + some curls and other isolations lol. It's not like they take that much energy compared to a Squat.

EDIT: Also, not saying Starting Strength is the best beginner program either. Just saying that it's better for most newbs since otherwise there is a high chance they'll dick around and get nowhere. If the goal is aesthetics, it's probably best to use a bodypart split of some sort right from the start, but from experience, most beginners fuck those up. There is a reason the vast majority of lifters never look like they lift even after a couple of years.

pokerandbeer said:

Starting strength, madcow, 5x5 derivates are proven efficiency programs. SOme people just love to hate Rippetoe for no good reason.

For most people valuing against proven efficiency for individuality isn’t becoming of someone aspiring to enhance their physical performance. AT least not anybody with any intelligence.

5x5 and madcow are the most successful internet programs to this day for their intended purpose and for people like meatplow and Jim to have a bad attitude towards them doesn’t change that.

It seems people like that just go against the grain to be cool or standout for whatever reason.

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The fact that Starting Strength and 5x5 have such a weird culty vibe to them adds to the hate. And to be honest, you give off that culty vibe.

Starting Strength is awesome for most beginners, but even then there are a lot of newbs who can't handle 3x a week Squatting. I could, but I'm also 6 feet tall and have always been a bigger kid.

A lot of fans of Starting Strength also have this weird hatred of isolations, which turns many people off since most people are lifting to look good with their shirts off. There's no reason why curls, lateral raises, and a few other isolations can't be added to Starting Strength. Besides, if someone overtrains on one set of curls a week, then there is a bigger issue going on.

Starting Strength (and its hardcore fans) just don't vibe with most people because of differing goals. For most people, their curl is as important as their Squat. Which is fine. They're not training to improve atheltic performance, which was my goal as a high school athlete.

Also, there are plenty of people who had a good body part split, ate for size, and got numbers that Starting Strength would give you PLUS good numbers on stuff like curls. Even if you Squat once a week, it's not hard to get a 315lbs Squat after one year of training. A lot of people in my high school lacrosse team got to that pretty easily. We even had a 355lbs Squat by this skinny Indian kid.

JimRussel said:

You’re right. Who wants to train hard AND also look like it?

Looking like a barrel with stick arms is the coolest.

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Odd because I've been lifting for years and I've wound up with large arms simply by doing lots of compound pressing and row work. I don't do any isolation with the exception of leg curls and leg raises at low weight with moderate reps at the end of my workout to get blood flow for recovery, and my arms have grown fine with the rest of me. The fact is that triceps make up most of your arm size anyways, and bicep curls don't do much for your total size. If you're doing enough row variations, your arms should grow.

I'm not against isolation movements or barbell curls, I've just never seen a personal need for them and I don't have stick arms. I certainly don't see any need for isolation exercises like curls in a beginner program like 5x5. You should be spending that effort doing squat/deadlift/bench/press instead. It's a much more valuable use for your time. As you progress into an intermediate program that's when I would say to start adding the accessory work for your weakpoints and the isolation movements for the aesthetics.

If you want to look like a bodybuilder or do "powerbuilding" then you need that base of strength to work off of anyways.

jgarner said:

I certainly don't see any need for isolation exercises like curls in a beginner program like 5x5. You should be spending that effort doing squat/deadlift/bench/press instead. It's a much more valuable use for your time.

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Three sets of DB curls twice a week would take you a total of about 12 mins, including generous rest times between sets.